Responding to My Brother Priests

First let me say how grateful I am to everyone who responded to my invitation!  One of the reasons I keep this blog is for the kind of insights reflected in your responses.  So again thank you!

What I would like to do over the next week or is offer my own responses to the various comments and questions that have been generated here.  Let me begin with the comments made by my brother priests, Fr James, Fr Alvin, and Fr David. 

Fr David, forgive me if I was unclear.  I don’t think that the growth the Church has seen in the last 20 years is a function of economic prosperity.  I do however think that this prosperity made it easier to do much of what we’ve done in these last two decades and I think that the down turn in the economy is going to bring with it new challenges for which I think we are not prepared.

Fr Al and Fr James have highlighted two related challenges: the continuation of our missionary work here in America and the moral, intellectual and spiritual formation of the next generation of clergy and lay leaders.

For example, when resources are plentiful it is (relatively) easy to establish new parishes and subsidize the training of new clergy.  If, as seems likely, those financial resources are no longer there then the work needs to continue but it will require more creativity and sacrifice from all of us.  This might mean that the next generation of priests–men either in seminary or considering seminary–may not be able to serve full time paid parish priests.  Priests with secular employment I suspect will likely become the norm.

This isn’t necessarily bad but it will mean not just smaller parishes (which I think is great by the way) but also more active lay participation in the pastoral life of the Church (which is better still).  For example, a priest with a full time job will not necessarily have as much time as we might want him to have to make hospital visits.  So at least some of our ministry to the sick will have to be taken over by the laity.  Again, this isn’t a bad thing at all.  In my last parish we had several people who were proactive in visiting hospitalized parishioners and shut ins.  Yes, when the person need to go to confession or be anointed I went.  But I depended on lay volunteers to help me know what was needed and this was I think to everyone’s benefit.

The pastor as coach is an important metaphor and one that I have used to great advantage.  When the ministry of the Church is limited to the sacramental work of the priest and the involvement of the laity to that of serving on parish council, singing in the choir and teaching church school, the whole parish, and indeed the whole of the Church’s ministry, suffers.  Mind you, none of this is meant to minimize the importance of either the sacramental ministry of the priest or parish council, choir or church school.  But it is to point out that we cannot limit the vocation of the parish, much less of the laity, to these four areas


For example, many (and I suspect most) of the oldest Orthodox parishes in this country were founded by the laity.  Often recent immigrants organized themselves, raised the necessary funds to purchase and remodel–if not actually built–an Orthodox parish.  If the priest had any involvement at all it was often relatively late in the process.

To sure this was not a wholly benign process.  Even today it is not uncommon for a parish (or at least a group within the parish) see the parish as the employer and the priest as their employee.  While this situation no doubt came about for a variety of factors, one was the lack of clergy guidance in the process of building the new community.

All of this is simply to affirm Fr Al’s observation that, whatever the cost, we the Church in America is a missionary Church.  From the earliest days of the Church in America, lay Orthodox Christians were missionaries.  The monastic witness to the native peoples of Alaska was mirrored by the missionary of Greeks and Russians (to name but two groups) to their own people in this country.  And both together highlight the future direction of the Church: Missionary and evangelism both to the growing number of Americans with no religious affiliation, to non-Christians, to un-churched (included lapsed and fallen away Orthodox Christians), and yes even to Christians in other traditions.

Witnessing to each group brings with it its own challenges and pastoral demands.  But if our history is any indication, the vocation of the American Orthodox Church is a missionary vocation.

Unfortunately, the Church in America has not seen itself as a missionary Church.  Historically, we have patterned ourselves either after mainline Protestantism or (in more recent years) an Evangelical parachurch group.  Let me be clear, this hasn’t meant adopting a Protestant ecclesiology as much as it meant adopting a Protestant or Evangelical sensibility.  But this sensibility rests uneasily with Orthodox ecclesiology even as it rests with Catholic ecclesiology.

Despite our differences, Catholic and Orthodox Churches both share a sacramental understanding of the Church as a catholic fullness.  This fullness is not simply ecclesiological but also soteriological and what is most important in the contemporary context, anthropological.  Again while we disagree on the details, but Churches would argue that salvation is not simply moral or forensic but a real transformation of the person that makes it possible for the person to become who is he.

Historical teaching, worship, morality, ascetical discipline all converge to make possible a life of true and lasting personal freedom and authenticity.  That is to say, a life of holiness where holiness is not simply moral rectitude but of participation in the life of the Holy Trinity or, if you prefer, love.

And this brings me finally to Fr James’ question about adult education.

The distinction I often make is between information and formation.  Typically, Orthodox education (both in the parish and in the seminary) stresses the former and rarely the latter.  Even when formation is addressed it rarely rises above the level of a consideration of a rule of prayer and fasting and a few general comments about the moral life.

But as I’ve argued here before, formation is all this and more.  Spiritual formation is the process of discovering and embodying evermore fully who I am and am called to be in Christ.  It is the process of growing in holiness to be sure, but holiness is not about mere imitation.  The saint not only reflects the glory of God but is the person who is most fully himself.  And how could it be otherwise since my life comes to me from God and I can’t be obedient to Him if I deny the gifts He has given me.

Whatever else we do in adult education, we must at a minimum help people come to understand themselves personally in light of the Gospel.  At all levels Christian education has as its primary goal the spiritual formation of the person.  We can have this as our goal because the tradition of the Church while it takes a historical and intellectual form is the collaborative work of the Holy Spirit and the human beings.

The Spirit that inspired the tradition of the Church also dwells in the heart of those who have been baptized into Christ.  If, as typically happens, we only look at the tradition objectively–in books and in history and as intellectual interesting questions–then we have failed to be faithful to the very tradition we are presenting.

We read in St Luke:

Then they drew near to the village where they were going, and He indicated that He would have gone farther. But they constrained Him, saying, “Abide with us, for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent.” And He went in to stay with them.

Now it came to pass, as He sat at the table with them, that He took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to them.  Then their eyes were opened and they knew Him; and He vanished from their sight.
And they said to one another, “Did not our heart burn within us while He talked with us on the road, and while He opened the Scriptures to us?” So they rose up that very hour and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven and those who were with them gathered together, saying, “The Lord is risen indeed, and has appeared to Simon!” And they told about the things that had happened on the road, and how He was known to them in the breaking of bread. (Lk 24:28-35)

I would wonder if Fr David’s comments on the difference between the Church in Romania and in America doesn’t reflect the relative absence of the human heart from the American Orthodox experience.  There are times when Orthodoxy in American feels to me rather mechanical when it doesn’t feel superficial.

Objective teaching about the Gospel, the Church’s worship (especially the Eucharist), and the human heart, all converge in Jesus Christ and the fruit of that encounter is the desire to evangelize, to bear  witness to what we know personally.  All four of these elements must be present.  Where I suspect we have gone wrong is to neglect the formation of the human heart.

But more on that latter when I respond to some of the other comments.

Until then, and as always, your comments, questions and criticisms are not only welcome, they are actively sought.

In Christ,

+Fr Gregory


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  • Alexis
    "You ask if I know from experience that in Orthodox parishes we tend to stress information over formation."

    Actually, you mentioned seminary in there as well. So...there's where my question is, and I ask because it seems totally contrary to my experience and the experience of most of my brothers.
  • Fr Gregory Jensen
    Alexis,

    Thank you for your comment and thank God that spiritual formation is part of your seminary eduction (I assume St Tikhon's?). For too many Orthodox Christians participation in the liturgical life of the Church, a daily rule of prayer and keeping the fast is equated with spiritual formation. To this some add the reading of Scripture and the fathers. To be sure these are all essential elements of our spiritual life, and so of spiritual formation, but none of these necessarily demand faith. One can participate in all of these and never grow in the sense of one's own vocation much less be a disciple of Christ.

    At least as I use the term here, spiritual formation is a two step process. First, there is the task of self-knowledge, of coming to understand who one is and is called to be in Christ. Second, spiritual formation concerns learning how to embody or incarnate one's vocation within the concrete circumstances of one's life.

    As I said, sadly this typically isn't done in parishes and has been noticeably lacking in seminary education.

    So again, thank God that seminary for you and your brothers includes spiritual formation.

    In Christ,

    +FrG
  • Lina
    Father Gregory,

    I just reread some of the above comments and remembered the wise words of my first 'boss' down here when I told him that I was in over my head. He commented, "Now you will have to depend upon God." Faith looks like a noun. But it is really a verb. Faith is doing things God's way. Faith is waiting for Him to resolve the problem. The English word 'believe' has been watered down to next to nothing. A better word in today's English is to commit. The old story of the tight rope walker crossing Niagara Falls comes to mind. He goes alone and everyone cheers. He crosses with a wheelbarrow and everyone cheers. He asks if anyone believes he can cross with a person in the wheelbarrow and everyone says yes. He asks for volunteers and silence reigns. Everybody believed but no one wanted to commit. Faith is getting in God's wheelbarrow. That is a hard thing for we sinners to do. We like to be in control. We think we can figure it all out. But God sees around bends that we do not see around. The Bible is full of numerous stories of people who tried to go it alone. It also contains stories of those who walked through their problem with Him.

    The more we learn to turn our daily problems over to God the more we begin to trust Him. And trust is what it is all about. Do we really trust God?
  • Alexis
    "Typically, Orthodox education (both in the parish and in the seminary) stresses the former and rarely the latter."

    Do you know this from experience?
  • Lina
    Greetings from the island of Hispanola, The Dominican Republic. I am winding down nearly 23 years of missionary work with the Iglesia Episcopal Dominicana. I leave here Feb. 18th. Last week I took time off to travel by bus to Jimani on the Haitian border and volunteered in a local clinic which was receiving patients from the earthquake in Haiti. Not being in the health profession I was not accustomed to many of the wounds I saw. On a positive side, inspite of severe overcrowding, the presence of God seemed to hover over us.
    People were there from Peru, Puerto Rico, Spain and Mexico as well as many parts of the USA. Some spoke English, some Spanish, some Creole but somehow the job got done. I cannot praise highly enough the Haitian people. Most arrived with a caretaker, mattresses were spread out on the floors, one mattress to a family and yet it seemed like one big family with everyone helping everyone else. There were lots of lacks, like space, water, toothpaste, bedpans, food, pampers. etc. Somehow we learned to communicate. Most people had no idea what was coming next in their lives. Their lives had been shattered, and that does not include the physical wounds.

    Now I am returning to the states and what for me in a surprise move by God, into the Orthodox Church. But that is another story.
  • Fr Gregory Jensen
    Lina,

    Thank God and thank you for your missionary service! And welcome to the Orthodox Church! Your mission work will be a source of great blessing for the Church here in America even as it was for those in the DR.

    Alexis,

    Thank you for your question.

    You ask if I know from experience that in Orthodox parishes we tend to stress information over formation. The short answer is yes, I do know this from my personal and pastoral experience both in parishes under the EP and now as a priest in the OCA. I also know this from my conversations with my brother priests and my review of what empirical research is available.

    If I may, why do you ask?

    In Christ,

    +FrG
  • Lina
    Jesus said to “Go and make disciples!” Where churches, for the most part, fall down is in making disciples. Every secular business organization has regular training sessions. They are always updating. How many Christian adults perceive themselves as being disciples in need of constant education and learning so that we know what it is and Who it is we believe.

    Then too, there is the TV mentality. TV is basically a non-participatory activity. People are so used to watching TV that they 'watch' the liturgy in the same way.

    A pioneering church has excitement and participation. A settled church is, well, settled. It is like there is nothing more to do once the land is bought and the building is built. It is easier to deal with material things like building blocks than spiritual things like souls. And then, some people become pillars, so set in stone that everyone has to work around them.

    As one who is winding down almost 23 years of mission work in a third world country, I have observed that the less people have the more fervently they pray. People who have all the comfortable amenities of life, who do not have to depend upon God for the basics, just don’t have the same fervency. Maybe our economic crisis will help us out in this.

    God is the owner of all the cattle on ten thousand hills. God pays for what He orders. God has an incredible network in place that He can tap for those who are in His will.
  • Fr Gregory Jensen
    Lina,

    Thank you for your comment and welcome to Koinonia!

    I think you are right when you say the real challenge is discipleship. Yes evangelism requires effort but in my experience making the case for Christ and His Church is (relatively) easy. The hard part is what happens after the excitement of the initial commitment wears off.

    If I may, where did you do your mission work?

    In Christ,

    +FrG
  • Michael Bauman
    LisaElizabeth: It seems to me you have it exactly right. If the Church is not the hosptial/fortress that leads to salvation, what then is she? Certainly she should not become a factory for elite academics who speak only of "things that matter" using "words that must be said".

    Neither should she be held captive to a legalistic interpretation of a pseudo-monasticism that strips people of joy.
  • LisaElizabeth
    Father Gregory,
    I am a lay person and a convert of nine years. I am not knowledgeable in any aspect of the church (theology, pastoring, etc). I find a large part of my struggle to be in daily living. It seems to me that every day is a war against this world, against the passions and all things that work to consume me. As Ben pointed out, our society is so far gone into sin, it calls it normal and even healthy (ugh!).
    I do not know if I am an average parishioner (we have such a small mission parish), but if I am, we need help to fight daily. We need direction, advice and examples. We have all this in the Church = saints. Now, how do we (average parishioner) apply this to our daily life?
    Please forgive me if I am off topic.
  • Fr Gregory Jensen
    LisaElizabeth,

    Let me add my affirmation of your comment to Michael's. You are in no way off topic. And yes the Church is--or should be--the place where I can be healed of my sinfulness. This means I need--as we all do--the direction, advice and examples we have in the Church. This is also why, as a quick aside, why I have a rather firmly held no bullies rule in nay parish I've served. This is I think where sometimes clergy go wrong. We cannot allow bullying in the Church. Sadly, we often do.

    Again, thanks for the comment!

    In Christ,

    +FrG
  • Great post again, Fr. Gregory. I look forward to more. I did want to clarify one thing. When I teach my adult Sunday School class, I try to do more than just inform. I always stress *applying* what is taught in the Scripture(s) being discussed to our lives. For example, as I have been teaching through St. James' epistle recently, I have stressed the importance of internalizing the things that the saint discusses (things like the need to be humble and the need to put our faith into practice by doing things like loving each other, taking care of the poor, and so on). I would like to think that this is more than just "a few general comments about the moral life," but I could certainly be wrong. At any rate, I'm guessing that it is not the formation that you have been discussing recently.

    So my question this time is: given that teaching the Scriptures to the adults in your parish in a formal "lecture and discussion" (and there is much of the latter) format is not true Christian formation, then what is? What do I and the other leaders of our parish need to add to the educational opportunities that we already offer so that we can take the formation of our beloved parishioners to "the next level?" This is something I desperately would like to do. We certainly would love to help to spiritually form our people. But we need someone to tell us how (or at least I do).
    .-= Fr. James Early´s last blog ..Double Bible Update (OSB and CCC) =-.
  • Ben
    I think you hit the nail on the hammer with that last part especially.

    When I begin to see the Church (the vehicle of salvation) as the Gospel itself (the goal) it will necessarily result in a gospel that does not just seem, but in reality, is manufactured.

    We are saved by our immersion in the love that is God. "For God is love". The Holy Catholic and Apostolic Orthodox Church surely IS the way of salvation, the fullness of the faith, the bosom of the saints, and the greatness of Holy God-given Tradition, but, if we teach these things, yet have not love, "we are just a clanging chime or a resounding symbol." And when I say, have not love, I do not mean good feelings about my enemies, it is much deeper than this. It seems to me that, upon further review, this verse speaks to the fact that, since God is Love, all the things we preach and do and see and feel, etc, in the name of "The Church," (if we ourselves are not being immersed in the life of the Holy Trinity, through communion, true prayer, true fasting, loving our neighbor as ourselves), are lifeless, and we preach a mechanical Gospel.

    The Church seems mechanical, because perhaps it really is. For all the talk about becoming a united American Orthodox Church and how much that unity would be a "witness" to an outside world, I think we miss the point. If we unify as a church, pool together our resources, create hospitals, and HUGE parish churches and cathedrals, and if we start all kinds of programs and "saving centers", these amount to nothing if people are not experiencing spiritual growth. For example, I think often, many of us Orthodox Christians in America are so enthralled with knowing the tradition of the East and knowing what all the important theoretical terms mean (theoria, hesychia, theosis, etc) ((Also, how much better it is than (upturned nose) Latin Scholasticism=)) that we neglect to dive headlong into the Holy Trinity. We stand over a pool, but refuse to swim, and this is what is SO mechanical.

    Our Evangelism, is not about gaining more members, or getting more money. Going another step further, it is not about introducing people "the ancient Church" or the "fullness of the faith." It is about introducing others to the life of the Holy Trinity that is, and here's the kicker, ALREADY LIVING AND BEING FOSTERED IN US!!!!

    Why is this trend happening one may ask? Much of me thinks it has to do with this great torrent of human custom which we are immersed in this country. We are a country which more and more is buying into hedonism and narcisism, made manifest in consumerism and "the sexual revolution." It is a pernicious cancer which is eating away at our culture as well as our church. So far, we have not really addressed it well in our congregants. Sure they know that we should be fighting the passions, that we should be working towards theosis, but really, let's be honest, how much do you think the average person in the Church works at their salvation.

    We, who are so fractured and pulled by all of the influences of our world and the deconstruction of the human person which is happening with the advent of things like the internet, and I am speaking first of myself here, tend to go towards the dangerous norm of those who know but do not do. We talk a good talk, but don't do what we talk. In the words of Brennan Manning "The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians, who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny him with their life style. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable."

    I would like to finish this incredibly long winded post with another quote by Brennan Manning, whom I find speaks to the problem quite well here,

    "The gospel is absurd and the life of Jesus is meaningless unless we believe that He lived, died, and rose again with but one purpose in mind: to make brand-new creation. Not to make people with better morals but to create a community of prophets and professional lovers, men and women who would surrender to the mystery of the fire of the Spirit that burns within, who would live in ever greater fidelity to the omnipresent Word of God, who would enter into the center of it all, the very heart and mystery of Christ, into the center of the flame that consumes, purifies, and sets everything aglow with peace, joy, boldness, and extravagant, furious love. This, my friend, is what it really means to be a Christian." (And THAT is what the Church should be seeking to make.)
  • s-p
    I agree that "Orthodoxy in America feels mechanical/superficial" because it is my experience of it personally. For all the talk about the forms and praxis and disciplines of the Church "forming the human person" and all the right words and proper pious talk etc. by most converts, I think we live "Orthodoxy" pretty mechanically for quite a while. Now, that said, I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing... in all disicplines we have to learn mechanics before we can improvise. As a wise journeyman carpenter used to tell apprentices who'd ask him "Teach me the tricks of the trade"... "Son, you have to learn the trade first." The issue is from my vantage point now is this: What passes for piety among newly Orthodox is pretty much posing, mimicking and imitation of externals. But they look so good people think the source of those things are as "valid" as the external forms, so we end up with "laying hands on people too quickly" and folks who have "the form of godliness but deny the power thereof". Now, that said, I didn't come to Orthodoxy with an empty plate either, I came as a committed Christian who sought to imitate Christ. The praxis of the Church does indeed inform, form and transform my limited and malformed and immature imitation of Christ, but that does not remove the fact that I am indeed a "new convert" learning an entirely new culture and praxis that just takes time and continual formation to attain to some maturity. Not that I'm mature yet either... I just see my ego and former delusions more clearly now, and I'm sure there's still plenty to see that I'm blind to now.

    Anyway, good post. Good thoughts. Solid prognostications, IMHO.
    .-= s-p´s last blog ..Musical Jeep =-.
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